Travis Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Not that this would work here, but in some Condo/Apt. complexes in the U.S., residents have to give DNA samples of the best friends to the landlord. If they don't pick up the poop, it is analyzed and the owner is fined. CSI Turdville!
RVGRINGO Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Does no one remember when night came and we let out the cat, and let in the dog? Nobody owned leashes. Sometimes we might step in something left by a dog, or horse, or chicken, or cow, but seldom a cat; they were evidently more civilized and buried their excrement in the sandbox, where children could find the little logs and load them into their little dump trucks. Some kids even ate them, without seeming to be harmed by the snack. Mud pies were not always pure mud, were they? Now, we seem to have a problem: Too many people and not enough pet freedom. Not to worry; the next mass extinction will re-balance things. Sanity may even be restored.
Cookie Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 If each dog owner would agree to set an example it would go a long way toward encouraging others to do the same. And dog owners should not let their dogs off leash. Witness the number of lost dogs posted on this web board. If dogs are leashed and kept inside the walls of the garden/house there would be less sadness in having a beloved pet killed, kidnapped or lost. I don't think that the dogs off leash with the owner are the ones who get lost. Those crafty critters usually manage to jailbreak or slip through an open gate. You're not suggesting that they be kept leashed in their yards are you?
Mainecoons Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Bearing in mind how Hector has accomplished so much with the junk car problem using a combination of voluntary action backed by the laws on the books (also passed by Mexicans) I'm wondering if a similar approach could be employed here? It certainly has made a difference with the junk car problem, again thanks to Hector and his volunteers. In any case, for the health reasons cited above, no one should be allowing their dogs to poop in the lawns of the Malecon where children play and families picnic. Use the curb, please, and then pick it up.
Out1 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 What about the horse poop !!!! Going to need bigger bags for the caballeros.
Mainecoons Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Good question. Since horses are herbivores as opposed to carnivores, they apparently don't create as serious a health hazard. According to Rutgers University Equine Science Center, horse manure should not pose a significant health risk to people coming across it on the trail. Specific pathogens of potential concern include Salmonella, certain strains of E coli (particularly the O157:H7 strain), Cryptosporidium, Giardia, and Campylobacter. Salmonella -- Salmonella can be present in horses, but has actually been found in so few horses (1 in 500) as to be considered insignificant. E coli -- No incidents of human disease caused by equine E coli have been reported. E coli of the O157:H7 strain have been found in horse intestines, but only in insignificant amounts. Cryptosporidium parvum and Giardia -- Cryptosporidium has been reported at a frequency of 1 in 300 horses; Giardia at a frequency of 2 in 300 horses. Campylobacter -- No links have been shown between Campylobacter in the equine gut and human health. Leptospirosis -- Leptospira is a spirochete that can infect horses, but is not transferred in feces. It can be shed in other bodily fluids, such as urine, but horses have not been associated with the disease in humans. Researchers from the University of California, Davis Medical Center collected samples of horse and mule manure along 186 miles of trails in major national parks and wilderness areas in California. Overall, the samples contained large numbers of normal equine gut bacteria, which do not cause human disease. Only 12 out of the 81 pack animal samples contained bacteria with the potential to cause diarrheal disease in humans. Particular attention was paid to any indication of E coli O157 or Salmonella. Neither of these organisms were found in any of the pack animal manure samples. One pack animal sample was found to contain the disease-causing protozoa, Giardia. The authors concluded that while potentially pathogenic organisms were found in some samples of horse manure collected along trails, the prevalence was low. http://voices.yahoo.com/is-horse-manure-trails-risk-human-health-7666518.html?cat=53
ichbinsaege Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 The local police can't issue tickets on site, they have to haul you into jail.
satnrose Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Many years ago, the problem was controlled by the local police with .22 rifles late at night. Sad for the dogs, and we knew several very friendly street dogs when we lived in Ajijic. They suddenly vanished and their absence made us sad. Now, this insane discussion makes us shake our heads. Most came here for a sense of adventure and freedom from NoB situations, but now want to recreate them here. Ajijic is not the USA, it is a Mexican town. Get used to it! RV Your chances of fighting city hall are better than arguing with the "general well-being advocates".
mudgirl Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 For many years Sayulita has had the "Sayulita Animals" clinic, and I have heard that San Miguel has something similar. The clinic is staffed by a team of very dedicated volunteers and an amazing organizer. There are free spay and neuter clinics on a regular basis, many done by visiting vets from the States volunteering their time in exchange for billetting in someone's home. The community is encouraged to bring in their own dogs and cats, street dogs, or neighbors uncut dogs and cats, (with their permission of course). This, in tandem with a fostering and adopt-a-pet program (many, many people have adopted a dog a to take back to Canada or the States, the clinic will even arrange transportation-they look for volunteers who are flying or driving back to take them, or crate them up and put them on the plane, at the new owner's expense), has DRAMATICALLY reduced the street dog situation. The clinic is privately funded. Perhaps putting together a similar program for the Ajijic area would be a solution for your community.
Guest verchiel Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Thank you to everyone on this long string for the great big belly laughs that I have had. Expats debating about dog poop ... when there are so many other, more-important problems! Ja ja ja ja ja!
gringal Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Shall we now tackle the Middle East problem or child poverty worldwide, right here on this local web board? The poop issue is a local one that, unlike the BIG PROBLEMS, is one we can actually do something about, but glad to hear you had a good laugh for the day.
RVGRINGO Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 RV Your chances of fighting city hall are better than arguing with the "general well-being advocates". But it is so much fun!
ChrisB Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Posted June 17, 2013 Before we were married, my family lived in Spring Lake NJ; also known as the Irish Riviera . One winter day we were walking on the beach.The only ones for miles around and a cop stopped and was going to issue us a citation for walking a dog (unleashed) on the beach. Harry said, " no problem, make it out to the mayor . It is her dog" He got in the car and left. Democracy in action!
gringal Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Before we were married, my family lived in Spring Lake NJ; also known as the Irish Riviera . One winter day we were walking on the beach.The only ones for miles around and a cop stopped and was going to issue us a citation for walking a dog (unleashed) on the beach. Harry said, " no problem, make it out to the mayor . It is her dog" He got in the car and left. Democracy in action! Now THAT gave me a good ROFL for the day. Thanks
ChrisB Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Posted June 17, 2013 I never realized **** could stir up so much ****. People around have to get out and dig us up something for the plant in tomorrow!
Ajijic Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Funny, I don't recall seeing any street dogs in San Miguel. Are you sure you can't do anything about them? Otherwise, how do you know where the crap is coming from? Mainecoons the problem is under control as the number of street dogs is small. Literally, most every Thursday there is a spay neuter program by Save a Mexican Mutt. At each one about 30 animals are fixed. Oddly, Mexicans are reluctant to neuter male dogs so about 90% of the animals that show up ar females. Nearly every dog that comes is Mexican owned and they pay about 50 pesos. the true cost is closer to 225 pesos but donations make up the difference. Other organizations have similar programs albeit not as frequent. When you draw an upside down pyramid of the offspring of one dog the numbers are staggering. And when a program is done in one area after you believe most dogs are spayed or neuter you return every 6 months for any offspring etc. The you really see the impact as you noticed. The biggest park is Juarez, 7 acres. There leashing dogs is enforced as is cleaning up. But unfortunately, while the number of strays is low the problem will never totally disappear.
Cookie Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 Take advantage of the free horse poop. Wonderful fertilizer.
ShanConshue Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 This is really a Sh*tty topic LOL The solution is an easy 2 step answer #1 pick up your dogs crap #2 take 2 seconds and bend over and pick up some other dogs crap...Its wont kill you and you might be sparing your own dogs health but keeping dirty poop away. So, should owners pick up their own dogs poop... Absolutely! However, if they don't it wont hurt them, but it may hurt you or your dog. I personally pick up crap even tho my dog only poops at home (shes shy), but I also say something to the non poop picking up owners of other dogs.. Shame goes a long way... Maybe we should take pictures of the violators and post them in a thread entitled "public poopers"
Ginger Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 There are spay/neuter clinics here where low-income Mexicans can have their animals neutered. Some of the vets do it in their clinics as well. There are several animal shelters privately run but also never enough & it's expensive. Doesn't solve the problem of ex-pat dogs merrily pooping off-leash while the owners look the other way.
ChrisB Posted June 17, 2013 Author Report Posted June 17, 2013 Facebook is amazingly powerful. I never realized what it and camera phones would bring. No one can get away with anything!
Bourbonman Posted June 17, 2013 Report Posted June 17, 2013 This topic has "strayed" . Are we "pooped" out on the original topic?
bdlngton Posted June 18, 2013 Report Posted June 18, 2013 There are spay/neuter clinics here where low-income Mexicans can have their animals neutered. Some of the vets do it in their clinics as well. There are several animal shelters privately run but also never enough & it's expensive. Doesn't solve the problem of ex-pat dogs merrily pooping off-leash while the owners look the other way. Operacion Amor is a local group that does periodic free spay/neuter clinics for dogs and cats owned by low-income Mexicans. It is funded mostly by donations and run by volunteers. Several vets who work with a foundation fly in from Mexico City for the clinic, with the only cost for their services being hotel and meals. Local vets have also donated time to help. The clinic usually runs 3 days and approximately 160-170 animals are operated on during that time. The next clinic is scheduled for late July. Donations are always welcome to help with the other expenses of running these clinics, most the expense of supplies. I
Islander Posted June 18, 2013 Report Posted June 18, 2013 Gringal wrote: ".................It wasn't Gringos who came up with and passed the leash laws, any more than it was foreigners who decided to enforce the "no dogs in restaurants" laws in San Miguel. It was Mexicans. We can whine and disobey or we can go along with the laws passed by our hosts." I have never seen a Mexican national in the restaurant or store with their dogs...but many Gringos. And let me expand on that: One elegant lady was cleaning her dog poop at outside Ajijic restaurant while we were eating. She had a bag . Talk about responsible owners.
Islander Posted June 18, 2013 Report Posted June 18, 2013 Dogs in Restaurants another topic I was talking about dog poops , laws, and human nature
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