Mainecoons Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 This might dampen the enthusiasm at the state level for adding more Pueblos Magicos. http://www.informador.com.mx/jalisco/2017/735600/6/estado-rescata-inversion-en-pueblos-magicos.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezpz Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 A local Mexican friend told me he did not want this official "pueblo magico" title because it will just bring more traffic and noisy weekends. Aren't most of the existing Pueblos Magicos situated a little more remotely and therefore, maybe able to benefit by more tourism? Millions of people who live in GDL only 1 hour away already come to Lake Chapala, an area which is hardly in need of more tourism. We can hardly handle the traffic as it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanson Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 a group of us discussed the same thing ezpz and we came to the same conclusion. There are already too many people attracted here. We don't need any more traffic until the highway through town, the carretera, becomes four lain, something that I don't think will be occurring very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Considering the terrain involved, and the need for ramped intersections and maybe even turning lanes.......I doubt that it is possible, short of destroying the area. Imagine: A four lane higher speed highway.......with a bike lane and sidewalks. Then imagine multi-story parking garages and anything else your heart may desire. Not in our lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted August 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 25 minutes ago, RVGRINGO said: Considering the terrain involved, and the need for ramped intersections and maybe even turning lanes.......I doubt that it is possible, short of destroying the area. Imagine: A four lane higher speed highway.......with a bike lane and sidewalks. Then imagine multi-story parking garages and anything else your heart may desire. Not in our lifetime. Agree completely. When I put my engineer hat on I see no solution that doesn't involve massive dislocation and change of character. With the new cuota between Chapala highway and Lopez Mateos (extended) soon to open, maybe some of the traffic trying to get through here to get to the west end of the lake will use that as an alternate route. Basically, though, I think we are stuck with what we have now. I actually do support this limited enhancement because it would improve the sidewalks and give people who use bikes to get around or go to work a way to get through town better. The car situation will still be about the same, namely not so hot. I support this limited improvement with the concern about how they will keep the sometimes wild and crazy drivers from running over people in the bike lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 What we think of pueblo magico is irrelevant the state will do what they will do.. The fact that some will be discard is a good thing, they need to keep pressure on the Pueblos Magicos to comply with whatever the rules are or they will lose all credibility.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezpz Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 It is simply not feasible to even consider widening the carretera to 4 lanes. The natural topography does not allow for that, with the steep hills being located quite near a large body of water and most of the area already built up. The construction alone would be sheer hell for months. The destruction would really hurt the homes and businesses along the carretera. Widening less than say, a 10 mile stretch of road is pointless because all it does is encourage restless and reckless drivers to lurch forward and race around the others, and then, when the road narrows down again, every one slams on their breaks to slow down, which is hard on the car and dangerous as well. So you still end up with the same bottleneck traffic. One thing that would improve traffic flow is to add more bus lines between Chapala and Joco, and from GDL on weekends, holidays, and vacation periods. I am carless-by-choice and ride the bus quite often. In recent years, the buses have become packed like sardines during most hours with lots of school kids and workers on different shifts all day long. There is certainly room to grow the bus business without undue trauma to the local infrastructure. Many gringos here come from the frigid Plains States or provinces where it is assumed you can keep widening and building new roads and infrastructure. The SF Bay Area, where I used to live, is a rare metropolis which is situated between large bodies of water and sometimes steep hills and mountains like here, which dictate where you can build roads and freeways. The forward-thinking and environmentally-minded northern Californians anticipated these issues decades ago and voted down building freeways right on the coast or through very scenic Marin Country which now has property values similar to Manhattan. San Francisco does not have a freeway, you have to drive through the scenic city streets to get from one end to the other. Again, VERY high property values - my entire retirement income would not even pay for a 1-BR apt in the Bay Area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Why not create some real magic, make a major difference - permanently. Most of the cloggers seem to be day trippers from Guadalajara and surrounding areas out for a drive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_car-free_places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappysmarket Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Car free from Fenix in SA to Rio Zula. All vehicles must use the low road. Those needing to access the north side are able to cross only at the traffic lights. Edit: Allow Tuk-tuks to ferry pedestrians around or golf carts or.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Worked on the Puerto Vallarta malecon - right Pappy? Somewhere in a far off galaxy aliens are observing Earth and wondering how the humans enabled machines to take over their lives, and then allowed them to destroy their planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Regardless of MP ,something needs to improve the traffic flow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Something? What might that be? Maybe large parking lots east of Chapala and West of La Canacita, with only shuttle busses running between the two lots with stops every kilometer along the way. Then, small jitney service, from the bus stops, north and south of the carretera. No cars, no taxis and just small delivery vans for commercial purposes only. It would be like magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 The easiest and cheapest fix for traffic congestion would be the Mexico City one known as, Hoy No Circula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 and we think we hear complaining now....imagine if some day people could not go to their poker games or the LCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 They can ride the bus or take a taxi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanson Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 That Mexico City plan really works. License plates with a last number that is even can only be on the road on even days of the month. And those ending with an odd number can only be on the streets on odd days of the month. If they do that lots of us old folks will have to start walking every other day or buy another car with the correct license plates. I think we should try it for a month.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappysmarket Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, AngusMactavish said: They can ride the bus or take a taxi. "But officer, I know I'm not supposed to drive today but I signed up for a course at LCS a long time ago. You don't understand, I'm on a strict budget and I can't afford a taxi and the bus leaves me too far away" Officer: "OK, go on, don't do it again". Dreams: "In the old days I could just get a mordida out of them. Now they want to take a video of me and put it on You Tube. What's wrong with these gringos?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 hours ago, johanson said: That Mexico City plan really works. License plates with a last number that is even can only be on the road on even days of the month. And those ending with an odd number can only be on the streets on odd days of the month. If they do that lots of us old folks will have to start walking every other day or buy another car with the correct license plates. I think we should try it for a month.:) I am sure what would happen in MX if they did not have this plan....I do know that the current traffic in MX is horrible and very gridlocked...Fact is it can take you longer by taxi to get to the American Embassy, than it took to fly from Guad . Many of the intersections are supervised by the police, but remain blocked and traffic can not move when the lights change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 maybe some people have to work or go to school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted August 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 13 hours ago, johanson said: That Mexico City plan really works. License plates with a last number that is even can only be on the road on even days of the month. And those ending with an odd number can only be on the streets on odd days of the month. If they do that lots of us old folks will have to start walking every other day or buy another car with the correct license plates. I think we should try it for a month.:) Can't vouch for it being true but I'm told that those that can afford it there may be doing just that--having two cars, one with odd plates one with even. It was definitely quieter around here this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, bmh said: maybe some people have to work or go to school? Twenty million people cope with the plan just fine. A few fogies can too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanson Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 The traffic sure is better both on the road and over the internet. Sure love it when school starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Liana Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 14 hours ago, johanson said: That Mexico City plan really works. License plates with a last number that is even can only be on the road on even days of the month. And those ending with an odd number can only be on the streets on odd days of the month. If they do that lots of us old folks will have to start walking every other day or buy another car with the correct license plates. I think we should try it for a month.:) Pete, Mexico City's Hoy No Circula works very differently from what you say in your post--has nothing to do with even or odd numbers or days. Take a look at this English-language link for accurate information:http://www.mexicocity.gob.mx/contenido.php?cat=11200&sub=0&idioma=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 This was addressed to betty thank you, Angus I am from Paris and we have the same plan now and yes people cope with it but then it is not Ajijic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 How hoy no circula would work in Ajijic, is that if people owned, or rented, off street parking, or garages, they would be allowed a limited number of times to take the vehicle out per week and return behind the "invisible" wall. If that did not work for them, they would have to find outside parking in a less congested area. Just getting rid of all the abandoned, derelict vehicles alone would be a huge visual benefit. Lets make the Lady of the Lake smile, not cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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