Justathought Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, betty7 said: so much for mexican culture and paradise. btw who is the new tenent for plaza B top floor apt? a deaf person? That certainly is uncalled for . Sorry you feel you are not living in ' paradise '. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty7 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 how you looked @ this thread?? hello!!! read it. noise filth noise filth. what you YOU sorry about? do tell. maybe this place needs a remarketing slogan? the "paradise" angle did not age well. yes this comment is very "called for"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moderator-2 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Let's keep it civil and non personal, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Truthfully I can't imagine a domicile above either the theater or the gym. The theater rocks the gym pretty good and they do have later night showings. It looks like the alleged apartment would be right over top of the auditoriums. Future residents, if any, may be deaf but that won't help with the vibrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty7 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 MC some people are not that sensitive to vibrations. my feeling is the socalled apt will be business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 And you would be so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryB Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 in my 16 years here we have made good progress on both noise and litter. There is a new ordinance about to float, similar to Guadalajara and Zapopan, for noise. There has been quite a bit of voluntary progress. Groups are making presentations in schools on littering and kids are making progress. Groups are adopting areas to work on litter. People are picking up after their dogs. Is it perfect - 100%? NO - but, where is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty7 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 harry, so much of the litter is from the weekends, holidays, vacation weeks. it would serve the area better to request additional garbage trucks & earlier pickups. best to take dogs where there are bushes, or lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 hours ago, HarryB said: in my 16 years here we have made good progress on both noise and litter. There is a new ordinance about to float, similar to Guadalajara and Zapopan, for noise. There has been quite a bit of voluntary progress. Groups are making presentations in schools on littering and kids are making progress. Groups are adopting areas to work on litter. People are picking up after their dogs. Is it perfect - 100%? NO - but, where is it? Harry I agree to a point but I believe we've been going backwards for the last few years and particularly lately. It isn't because you and Hector didn't give it your best efforts, that's for sure. Hope your new place is working out well for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryB Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 EZPZ cited some of the progress. I hope no one thinks these things happened on their own. Many hours went into making them happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdmowers Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 On 5/31/2017 at 9:18 AM, Aquaponicsman said: There is now a company selling really nice mobile stages so anybody can set up a Fiesta anywhere at any time -- in any vacant field, at the end of any street, in any park, in any neighborhood! Regardless of anybody's opinion on noise, you gotta admit, this is a very well done portable stage. Fast, easy and secure Stage Trailer - MOBILSTAGE ARC Fast, easy and secure Stage Trailer - MOBILSTAGE ARC The MOBILSTAGE ARC trailer podium seduces with its contemporary look and curved blanket made of three-dimensiona... OMG! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezpz Posted June 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 On 6/1/2017 at 4:36 PM, HarryB said: EZPZ cited some of the progress. I hope no one thinks these things happened on their own. Many hours went into making them happen! And TX for your help in these matters, Harry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezpz Posted June 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 On 5/31/2017 at 5:38 PM, ComputerGuy said: 2. ezpz, show me how you came to believe they actually stopped the upstairs bar to convert it to a gym and then reintroduce the bar. Sorry, that gym was built to be a business, period. 3. The idea that bands do not have enough tecnical savyy to turn down sound, but do have enough tech savvy to buy this equipment in the first place, is so far-fetched that there are no words to describe it. 2. Timing of events you are not aware of 3. Sorry to sound like I am tooting my own horn but I have almost 20 solid years of full time professional performance experience in disco funk house bands, gospel, studio backup singing, writing and recording (pre digital) and producing my own songs, major hotel shows plus 10 years of symphony experience, so I do know a few things about music and sound technicalities and aesthetics. The two have to work together for optimum results. I have heard numerous completely clueless "sound checks" from my house. I can't believe it, they don't know what to do once the cables are connected. That is just the beginning! I have talked with several involved parties and it was easy to see they knew absolutely nothing about using sound equipment. They don't even know sound waves travel!! Or the acoustic science implications of that. Wasting great amounts of money on oversized equipment is a major tip off of lack of experience. Sound equipment is not a toy to be played with at whim. That puts me in great culture shock because I have only worked with professional if not world class people all of whom knew the drill. Here, it seems no one does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelsZ4 Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 On June 1, 2017 at 2:07 PM, HarryB said: in my 16 years here we have made good progress on both noise and litter. There is a new ordinance about to float, similar to Guadalajara and Zapopan, for noise. There has been quite a bit of voluntary progress. Groups are making presentations in schools on littering and kids are making progress. Groups are adopting areas to work on litter. People are picking up after their dogs. Is it perfect - 100%? NO - but, where is it? FIRST OF ALL LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR I'M A PATRON OF THE BARS. In my 11 yrs here Harry has done nothing about the noise.. If you research previous threads on noise you will read how he tells us the Mexicans are complaining about the noise, they are getting up a petition to take to the administration.... Well what happened to the petition..?????? He will tell you "We stopped the loud music in this or that place. bar". BS... he or the noise police did nothing. The reason the music stops is the bands move on, get a better offer to play somewhere else.. Or we got them install soundproofing.. More BS. they put a roof on because we seem to be getting more rain now and they were losing business. They held a meeting which I believe was at MC's place..a couple of people showed up. If it was such a concern what happend to all the people..? The truth being it only concerns a few old gringos who want to roll up the carpet and turn off the lights at 9pm, 8pm on a weekday. They were going to organize noise patrols in the different neighborhoods so if they heard people enjoying themselves they had the phone number of someone in the Chapala administration who would then send in the police to break up the fun. What ever happend to that... Could Harry or MC respond..? I LIVE BEHIND THE PEMEX NOW, SO I HEAR NOISE. When I moved to Mexico I realized it wasn't going to be like living in "Any town Idaho" And that I would have to deal with the issues or go home. I have never felt it was my place to try and change the culture. If you read the post of a few weeks ago. One of the gringos on this board wanted to stop the tradition of serenading Mexican mothers early on Mother's Day. In my travels through Mexico I haven't found Ajijic to be any noisier than other places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Well actually we had quite a roomful at that meeting, mostly Mexican, but don't let that slow you down with your yarn spinning. And the rest of that bit about organizing patrols is definitely something going on only in your own mind. Which culture is being changed? The one before all this noise amplification and bars catering to mainly old deaf gringos who like to hang out in bars? Maybe you need to go to Zopopan and lecture those Mexicans about changing your fantasy of what their culture is. Or don't stop there, go to Mexico City and lecture the Mexicans who enacted the noise laws. Clearly you understand Mexican culture much better than the Mexicans do. I'd talk to you personally about this but you're probably quite deaf by now hanging out in bars and listening to 100db + bad music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Interesting news here as Zopopan apparently is trying to get rid of Mexican culture: http://www.informador.com.mx/jalisco/2017/724403/6/zapopan-clausura-12-establecimientos-por-exceso-de-ruido.htm Quote ZAPOPAN, JALISCO (04 / JUN / 2017) .- In the last three days, the City of Zapopan has closed 12 establishments that exceeded the limit of noise allowed, as well as operation after hours in some cases. The Inspection Directorate of the municipality explained that on June 1, 2 and 3, there have been closings in establishments such as gyms, restaurants, food sales with beer, events hall, and a dance academy. The nerve of those Mexicans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelsZ4 Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Mainecoons said: Well actually we had quite a roomful at that meeting, mostly Mexican, but don't let that slow you down with your yarn spinning. And the rest of that bit about organizing patrols is definitely something going on only in your own mind. Which culture is being changed? The one before all this noise amplification and bars catering to mainly old deaf gringos who like to hang out in bars? Maybe you need to go to Zopopan and lecture those Mexicans about changing your fantasy of what their culture is. Or don't stop there, go to Mexico City and lecture the Mexicans who enacted the noise laws. Clearly you understand Mexican culture much better than the Mexicans do. I'd talk to you personally about this but you're probably quite deaf by now hanging out in bars and listening to 100db + bad music. How come your allowed to make sarcastic comments like "with your yarn spinning" and "Clearly you understand much better than Mexicans do" and others aren't...? And what a nasty comment "Your probably quite deaf by now" Oh!!!I forgot you like to play God on this board, and censor everything you doesn't agree with your point of view.. What you say happens in other areas of Mexico is not relevant because it's not happening here.. Where are all these Mexicans you say are protesting the noise. ? What upsets you is that you purchased a cheap house across from a bar/restaurant. It had music before you bought there... Why do think it was so cheap.. It was across from a music venue... And before you say it wasn't ..I've been here longer than you, and remember when we used to go there on a Wednesday night for dancing after "Amigo's" ... And Friday or Saturday night for Mexican music... In those days there were fewer venues for dancing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 7 hours ago, ezpz said: 2. Timing of events you are not aware of 3. Sorry to sound like I am tooting my own horn but I have almost 20 solid years of full time professional performance experience in disco funk house bands, gospel, studio backup singing, writing and recording (pre digital) and producing my own songs, major hotel shows plus 10 years of symphony experience, so I do know a few things about music and sound technicalities and aesthetics. The two have to work together for optimum results. I have heard numerous completely clueless "sound checks" from my house. I can't believe it, they don't know what to do once the cables are connected. That is just the beginning! I have talked with several involved parties and it was easy to see they knew absolutely nothing about using sound equipment. They don't even know sound waves travel!! Or the acoustic science implications of that. Wasting great amounts of money on oversized equipment is a major tip off of lack of experience. Sound equipment is not a toy to be played with at whim. That puts me in great culture shock because I have only worked with professional if not world class people all of whom knew the drill. Here, it seems no one does. 2. How would you know? You don't know me and you certainly don't know who I know. 3. I owned a recording studio for years, was a road manager for a popular local band in Ottawa, and was in the Radio, Film, Stage and TV industries. You are suggesting that everyone in the music biz in this country is stupid. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 hours ago, TelsZ4 said: How come your allowed to make sarcastic comments like "with your yarn spinning" and "Clearly you understand much better than Mexicans do" and others aren't...? And what a nasty comment "Your probably quite deaf by now." Oh!!!I forgot you like to play God on this board, and censor everything you doesn't agree with your point of view.. What you say happens in other areas of Mexico is not relevant because it's not happening here.. Where are all these Mexicans you say are protesting the noise. ? What upsets you is that you purchased a cheap house across from a bar/restaurant. It had music before you bought there... Why do think it was so cheap.. It was across from a music venue... And before you say it wasn't ..I've been here longer than you, and remember when we used to go there on a Wednesday night for dancing after "Amigo's" ... And Friday or Saturday night for Mexican music... In those days there were fewer venues for dancing... Sorry for the sarcasm, I over reacted to your made up stories about the meeting that you weren't at and God only knows where you got the patrol idea. Apologies. Just reminding you once again as others have tried to do that the loud gringo bar music is not Mexican culture as you keep trying to assert in post after post. Sorry, but it is a fiction as most Mexicans don't like it any more than many of us do. Clearly it is your culture and a few others around here but it isn't MEXICAN culture. The fact this municipio doesn't deal with this problem along with a bunch of others doesn't mean the majority here like it. Heck, Chapala can't even pick the trash up regularly let alone deal with other environmental problems. Other, better run municipios are dealing with it as continued reports confirm. The noise makers go where they can get away with it. For now, that is here. OK, we've swapped barbs. Enough of that and BTW, houses on this block ain't cheap including this one and your incorrect information about that too can be added to the rest. Suggest you do some checking before you post that one again. Feel free to check with Kevin Collins. Tell him I said it is OK to set you straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty7 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 telZ4, run this by us again: zapopan & mex city: not mexican culture? but the bar in ajijic is? how is that? mex city & zapopan is just like idaho? you mean, the only quiet residential places in the world are in idaho? you should get out more. MC called it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 The building of high Testosterone levels is toxic to logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty7 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 comment 2, telZ4 not all of mexico/mexicans (or ajijic for that matter) is a honky tonk low down garbage infested dump just waiting for old expats to hangout @ bars. cheap shot. insulting to the higher culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 BTW, finally was able to get into the GDL Reporter on line and there's an article there about a much bigger noise crackdown by the City of Guadalajara. See page 4. Also note the article the speed cameras are back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty7 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 noise ordinance in guad? noooo. i thought mexico was a swinging restort town. kind of like spring break for old folks. kind of fooled me. guess ill wear my sombrero & dance around in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rckrckr Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 If you exist, post the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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